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Alizant: discussion

Warning! Spoilers!

Just a spot where y’all can talk about RoC: Alizant. Ask me questions. That sort of thing.

38 comments to Alizant: discussion

  • AbigailM

    I’m only a quarter of the way through the book, but I had to drop in and say the wedding play is PRICELESS! What an awesome custom to invent; one can see why people keep trying to let it disappear (especially most wedding principals) and why it persists anyway. The way this old custom, which of course is a bizarre de novo invention to us, is presented as though everybody has always known about it, and the way it advances the plot and characters so well, is really splendid.

    I’m so happy I can read this book. Now get on with the vampires, please! :w00t:

  • YAYAYAYAY I was hoping for this reaction. The wedding play was introduced in the first book with Nikki’s marriage. His was such a grim wedding, I couldn’t wait to turn D & K loose with the custom. πŸ˜† I also love the three day long party.

    Blood Red Moon is (hopefully) going to come out on (thanks for the idea, MM) Halloween! πŸ˜† I’m working on a rolling rewrite now, making sure it’s my book rather than one I wrote for my agent. I’m making Peter a bit more “mine.” Sergei always has been… πŸ˜‰

    • I can’t imagine anyone playing foil to Deymio. Even though Nikki was at first appalled, I think he really had a much better time with the way D & K did it. “What’s the Rhomandi got that I haven’t?” “Money”…..when you consider where her eyes were……and Gan as a half-wit…LOL….even Khy’s rejoinder to Deymio, “Go suck an aphid.” People can’t figure out what is so funny while I’ve got my eBook in front of me. Oh well….. πŸ˜†

  • ready4more

    Finished Rings of Change:Alizant this evening… OMG Now you have to write the sequel…just too many balls left in the air. I especially liked the Kirish’ina and the prospect of buying the culls… As a rider with a weka side and a strong side, I appreciated having to have someone knowledgable to even out my horse’s sidedness. Does the style of riding of the Kirish’narra resemble dressage or at least a “centered and balanced, or in a frame” or is it more a Sioux/Lakota feel for being a partnership, but the horse providing its own balance?

  • YAYAYAYAY!

    More like dressage… with the fighting horse at it’s core.

    We’ll get to the Kirish’lani eventually, but first, it’s Rings of Change: Ardiin and a trip across the channel. :whistle:

  • Hanneke

    Just finished it last night, and loved it. I agree with Ready4more: I’m really looking forward to reading more!
    You’ve given us so many possible developments to think about.
    I too really liked the Kirish’ina and her brother – I think she and Nikki might have more in common than either of the realizes. The Kirish’narra riding style reminded me of the Viennese ‘High School’ Lippizzaner ( http://www.luxurytraveler.com/spanish_riding_school.html ) and I’ve wondered if Nikki could go live with them: he’d love learning more about riding and training horses their way. Considering the strong rules about teaching outsiders anything, he might need to marry or be adopted into the clan. I can see some fireworks coming, but also think it might work, both as an alliance marriage and on a personal level (at least they both love horses, and consider the riding and training and breeding of them important – that’s already a large area-of-possible-compatibility between them!). I don’t get the impression her father would welcome the Rhomandi interest in his area, as the plans which are so dangerous to everyone else seem to be set up to favour him. Alliance with Nikki/the Rhomandi might strengthen her in her stand against her father and their ruler, or might get her thrown out and disowned. It might even retroactively do some good for the poor fellow who was disgraced for teaching Deymio some things, if it created a link from the Kirish’lani through Nikki to Deymio, so he’s not a complete outsider anymore.

    But I worry about Jeremin in this scenario, as the Kirish’lani live with a powerful ley-node, and the theory now seems to be that the ley-patterns are echoed throughout the ley-network, and maybe throughout the world. This, because Ardiin has trouble with Garetti’s bunch of freeloaders when he is in the Rhomandi’s city, even though the link through Persitum to Mauritum is closed.
    Khyel cut the Darius-mob off from Jeremin in Rhomandi’s cave, but the patterns were starting to reconstitute themselves, and elsewhere they may not have been cut off as completely. So I see several dangers in this: Nikki can’t see the ley-energy and knows nothing of the ley-web outside their own country, and by leaving on his own may bring Jeremin to an area where he can again be attacked, where they are out of reach of help. Also, (the elements of) the Darius-pattern may try to attack/take over other people’s patterns, now they’ve got a taste for it and can’t reach Jeremin. Can they do that? Can the patterns in the leythium caves change what’s going on when they’re not connected to some real and living entity?
    The more we’re learning, the less it seems likely: the ley-creatures themselves are connected to their living worshippers (and the incorporated patterns of the dead? All those fed to the ley, or just the ones the were connected to when alive, their worshippers?), and act through their (subconscious as well as conscious) wills and desires. Sometimes it seems that way, especially in the way the Darius-horde is beginning to try to reconstitute it’s patterns though they’ve been cut of from Jeremin. That might mean that other cut-off patterns that contain the knowlegde of how to do this, such as the nasty part of the Vandoshin-amalgam, might have similar dangerous inherent possibilities. Nasty!
    Could the ley-creatures spit them out, the way they did Anheliaa?
    Or could Alizant’s black-hole-effect be used to wipe the most pernicious of these parasitic patterns out? And how would he feel about that, effectively terminating the spirits of people he’d never met? I don’t think he’d like that, but he will do what he can to help Jeremin. Somehow, I feel as if Jeremin is going to need Alizant, but now Nikki doesn’t trust him anymore and has put all this distance between them.
    Maybe in this too the Kirish’lani can be a catalyst, as Alizant would love to go visit his friend and tutor there, and his machine may be needed there as well, as an alternative to capping the node.

    Then there’s Ardiin: he now has some idea of what’s going on with Jeremin and Khyel, though not precisely: I don’t think he knows about Mheltiri or about Khyels benign coalition of sanity, and getting rid of the nasty ones. When he returns to Mauritum, his amalgam and the other amalgamated (infested?) Ring-masters will know as well. I rather wish Khyel could tell him about the coalition, and help him to get rid of his worst freeloaders as well, as he’s shown himself to be a nice-enough person; but doing so before he goes to Mauritum would not be a good idea.
    I really hope you’re going to manage a rescue for him!
    I’ve also been wondering about the connection between the ley (a conductor of gens/electricity) and the lightning. Mother is angry but also exhilarated by the lightning storms. Does the lightning energize the ley, increasing it’s power? It seems rather like it, as mother is quite powerful, compared to her much older and larger father. His torpor may be because he hasn’t many active true-believers, but it could also be because lightning has long been steered away from his center.
    The other side of this coin might be related to the black-hole-effect that Alizant has: does lightning limit the immortality of the ley-patterns?
    A bit of electricity energizes the pattern, but too much burns (parts of) it out? Considering the redundancy in the system this would not likely be a complete death, as something would be echoed back and reconstituted from the rest of the network, as well as their followers, but it would certainly be a massive change, and probably feel rather like dying and being reborn anew.
    Considering the obsession of Darius, Garetti and the other amalgam-Ringmasters with their personal ‘immortality’ in the shape of continued almost unchanging existence, it wouldn’t be strange if that obsession became absorbed by their nodes and thus their nodes’ ley-creatures as well.
    As we’ve heard about Khyel’s experiment with his consenting coalition of sanity, an acceptance of mortality is going to be exceedingly difficult to achieve. Even when people philosophically accept it, it’s very deeply innate to struggle against it.
    Maybe bringing back the balance of the ley with the lightning could be a way to achieve this for the patterns in the leythium caves?
    How do the rest of the leytium-nodes in the non-capped world deal with this, and feel about this? Or is the rest of the world too sparsely populated for the nodes to have developed awareness?
    Or does the lightning ‘kill’ them before the patterns grow old and complex enough to develop wisdom? That seems unlikely: Mother survived quite well uncapped.
    Please excuse me for talking so long, my head is full of new ideas.
    Thank you so much for that!

    • Oh… you’re very welcome!

      One hint…the next installment is Rings of Change: Ardiin. :whistle:

      Ley and electricity coexist just fine…until a node is capped. Capping concentrates the surface energy. You can think of it like a huge magnetic field, with the rings at the center, rising up through the tower, arcing back into the earth, then back up again to the rings. A free node lies deep in the earth with much less articulated fields .

      I honestly am not sure what’s going to happen between Nikki and Imaresh. I had a thought, when I introduced her, that they’d make a pair, but the story didn’t go that way…yet. It’s possible, if what I’m beginning to get from them turns into something, that their relationship…and possibly a lot of what happens to Jeremin for the next few years…might turn into a series of short stories. That’s an option I have, with this ebook format.

      I’m also thinking of Garetti and Nethaalye becoming a short story or two. Maybe a novelette. Events that are outside the overall oh-so-complex storyline.

      Anyway, the plans at this time are that the third in this set will be Rings of Change: Jeremin, but it will take place a few years down the line.

      I’m so glad you enjoyed it! :wub:

  • WarriorofWorry

    I’m almost halfway through and enjoying it tremendously! :biggrin:

    I skipped the spoilers above, but I’ll be back. More (hopefully) erudite comments will follow completion.

  • the zedmeister

    Hi Jane, longtime reader and lurker here. πŸ™‚

    I bought the book several days ago but haven’t had a chance to read it yet as I’ve been insanely busy. I was putting off even taking a peek at it, afraid I’d get sucked in, but I decide to reward myself today by reading the first bit. Of course, now I’m itching to read the rest, argh! πŸ˜€

    I just wanted to point out a minor typo that’s apparently crept in – Nikola Tesla’s first name is spelled with a k, not a c.

    • O. M. G.You’re….kidding me. I didn’t….ARGH!!!! I DID! All the way through!?! (I talk about him in the afterwords.) What was I thinking? I KNOW BETTER! Gad…gotta fix that.

      Oh…maaaan. Anything else, I’d let slide….

      • maybe you were unconsciously channeling Niccolo Machiavelli?

        • …I have noticed some other typos, but have not wished to bring them to public attention, since it’s possible that the typos are in the version I downloaded (Full). I’ve been trying to make notes and then send them to you en masse after I’ve finished the book, but I just figured out that those very faint, very small numbers at the end of the line every so often, are actually the true page numbers. :blush: I thought it was some kind of formatting mark, :silly:

  • kokipy

    Jeremin is my favorite character of them all. I hope it is really a small child in there, precocious though he be? and not some horrific possession by hideous old people? And my advice is don’t worry yourself about typos. They certainly didn’t worry me while reading. I am sure there are far fewer than in commercially published books.

  • Jeremin is definitely a small child. One of the oddest you’ll come across, cuz he’s not unaffected by all that’s gone on, but just how that’ll all manifest…I’m not sure! I haven’t really gotten into his head, yet.

    The third book in this arc is supposed to be RoC: Jeremin, but the way it’s planned right now, he’ll probably be a teenager. We won’t actually see much of him for the next few years. But plans are never very hard set. I’m thinking we’ll see short stories of him and Nikki.

    Oh, the possibilities in ebooks!

  • kokipy

    Yes– keep them coming!

  • Okay, Jane, I’ll let my last question (above) slide. Here’s a new one: We know that Mikhyel is a lawyer. Why do his brothers allow people who are NOT Rhomatumin demand that their customs, laws, and etiquette take precedence over the laws , etc., of the country they’re visiting. For example, we see how the Kirish’ina insults Nikki, one of the members of the ruling family of Rhomatum – is this the custom and etiquette of her people? Does she have the same feeling if an outsider does the same to her tribal elders? I think not. Why does Ardiin tell Zandy that Harlik’s “rights” supersede Deymio’s “rights”, especially as Harlik is now in Deymio’s country (and might not make it back if he insults Deymio or tries to harm Zandy). Don’t the brothers consult the legalities of whose rights take precedence? As Deymio said, “I don’t give a f*** about their laws.” or words to that effect.

  • Sorry, Joe. Haven’t meant to ignore the question! I thought you were just going to email the typos.

    I’ve hardly looked at my blog for the last several days. I’ve got the Rusalka cover, the vamp cover, and my vamp book all actively calling for my attention.

    I don’t know why it put in those page numbers. I see what you’re talking about in the epub file. I had to reinstall all the programs and I don’t think I failed to toggle something, but I’d better check. What file format are you using?

    Typos…Since I’ve GOT to go in and fix the spelling of Tesla’s name, I can fix those. Normally, unless they’re really egregious, it’s an enormous amount of work to redo a file.

    Re: the laws…You’ll note, Harlik doesn’t get far. The problem is, it’s not just the law, it’s public opinion and the confidence of Zandy’s investors. If Deymio uses his power and position to shut Harlik up, it could appear as if he’s trying to shove a viable alternative under the rug.

    You’ll note, too, re Ardiin’s comment, he didn’t say that to Deymio. They didn’t try to go through legal routes, but endeavored to coerce Alizant into signing away his rights, a route that becomes moot before it ever gets to the challenge state. If they’d gotten him to sign and managed to spirit him out of the country, matters might have gone differently. Ardiin knows he hasn’t a legal leg to stand on, and doesn’t like that his superiors have handed him this mess.

    As for the customs thing, again, that has nothing to do with law but with who wants to get what out of whom. The Kirish’lani were invited to a party, not a diplomatic meeting. More to the point, the kirish’ina is not a diplomat. Far from it. But the hosts of the party want to treat the guests with respect, hence, respecting their customs.

    When I invite a vegetarian to dinner, I’m not very nice if I serve steak! :biggrin:

    • Okay, this one’s an easy fix, maybe. In the Prologue, Paragraph 9, which begins, “Too small.” It’s written that Deymio’s daughter was born on the same night as Jeremin but was twice his size. Then, there’s a sentence “Eleven, almost twelve months old. Only six until his first birthday and Jeremin could barely hold his head up.

      Um, I’m aware time acts differently in other worlds. But presuming that the Rhomatumin calendar is 12 months, then Jeremin cannot be eleven, maybe twelve months. Did I miss something, or do I need to go back to Rings of Lightning?

      • Crum…thot I zapped all of those monthly references. The Rhomatum year is longer than ours by some days (can’t remember) and they have eighteen months. One of the stupider decisions I made and I try to work around it with references to partial years for just these reason. I think it was in that expletive deleted prologue in Ring of Lightning that Betsy really really wanted and I always hated…so I zapped it in the ebook. It s/b at the end. At least I think I put it into the after material.

  • Page 449, “The man on the lower slop was…. black. The skin pealing off in….I believe you want the word “peeling”. Granted, this is a “Rings” book, and pealing implies a bell ringing, but I’m sure there was no pun intended,.

    One other small gripe, I’ve noticed a use of the word “it’s” for the genitive singular of the pronoun, when you mean “its”. Spelling nazi? You bet I am, especially when I’m doing it to help people from making what could be perceived as unprofessional mistakes. I do not do it to embarrass, to belittle, or otherwise, cause distress in those people. Especially to people for whom I care very much, and who have do so much for me, as well.

  • Hanneke

    Jane, if you’re on the point of adding more books, please check that you always use the same way of wirting your name as author.
    Sorry, very librarianlike comment, I know (looking for pins at low tide, or sieving mosquitoes are the Dutch terms for this πŸ˜‰ ), but at least one of the earlier books had a sightly different ‘author’s name’ (J.S. Fancher, J. S. Fancher or Jane S. Fancher) – even an extra space makes a difference.
    That made Mobipocket-reader sort the books separately, under ‘different’ authors. I immediately changed them all into Jane S. Fancher, so now I can’t recollect which it was, sorry. The same goes for CJ too: if I remember correctly both C.J. Cherryh and C. J. Cherryh have occurred.
    It’s not worth changing for what’s already done, unless you’re changing things anyway, but keeping things consistent in future would be good.

  • Hanneke

    Drat, no winking smiley and the apostrophe’s should be around ‘different’ instead of ‘author’s name’.
    It’s not a criticism, just a hint!

    By the way, I think I’ve found someone who gives short bookbinding courses not too far away, and I’m going to try to learn to turn your e-books into real pretty bound paper books.
    Just in case the PoD-machine at the bookstore doesn’t work out.
    I think they’re definitely worth it!

    • :wub:

      Oh, good point. I need to regularize that. I’m doing it differently on the covers, but I need the metadata to be the same. The name is an indication of the kind of book…J.S. Fancher for the SF, Jane S. Fancher for the Fantasy and J. Fancher for the vamp stuff.

      Thanks for the reminder!

  • Jane, I can’t really tell you how prevalent the “it’s” substitution is throughout the book. I recall only twice, once in the text, another in the “The Times They Are A-Changin'” tract at the end. The prologue where Deymio’s daughter and Jeremin are born on the same night, but impression I got from the sentence was that Jeremin is 6 months younger, not just 6 months smaller. I’ll look again, though.

  • OrionSlaveGirl

    Just dropping in here to say I get to start ALIZANT this weekend & looking forward to that. No, I didn’t peek at the spoilers :whistle:

  • kokipy

    I like the riding. My little girls started riding this summer and I am very envious. I am thinking Lippizzaners for the KirishÒ€ℒlani horses? I will be in Vienna this winter, with one free day, and I am going to see if I can get to the show.

    In general it is very interesting to me how this book evolves from what I feel the first three were mostly about. They seemed to me to focus on the brothers’ relationships and the ley and how it worked and how they grew in their understanding of it. You’ve got all that nailed now, and the current thrust seems to be figuring out the amalgams through the three people we know host them. An interesting and very appropriate movement/development to the tale.

    • Yup. πŸ˜†

      I got to see the Lippizzans many years ago when they toured the states and came to Seattle. Very special family experience. One of the home movies I’ve got being transferred to DVD right now is from that show.

      Certainly that school of training is what I had in mind. For my fellow horse lovers, here is a video of one of the most magnificent dressage horses in recent years. Sadly, she was put down after breaking a leg.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKQgTiqhPbw&feature=browch

  • WarriorofWorry

    Oh, I so truly enjoyed this book, Jane! :heart: It is a wonderful entry in the Rings series. (And I am eagerly waiting for the next installment, along with the vamp book, which will be a slightly late birthday prezzie!:w00t: )
    Your writing feels lighthearted, yet it lays humor over the deeper (and sometimes darker) thoughts and emotions of your complex, well-drawn characters. The world building, of course, is wonderfully detailed, and you’ve taken that staple of fantasy, the ley, and used it in such an original way. I loved C. J.’s afterword about the genesis of your idea: a perfect example of “what if”!
    I liked the way you used that hilarious wedding play to reintroduce your characters and fill in your backstory.
    While I missed having the Rhomandi brothers (especially, you know it, Mikhyel) front and center almost all of the time, I really enjoyed Alizant’s POV. I thought you handled his discomfort with his new family and social status, and his fear that it his family’s love and approval was conditional, quite believably.
    You did “grow” Dancer’s character quite a bit, in a relatively small amount of time “onstage”. The assault raises so many questions. And Dancer’s relationship with Mikhyel – I have to second Deymio on that one!
    And the excellent ending, with the resolution of so many plot threads in question. A cliffhanger without the broken fingernails. Ardiin as a POV character (or should that be characters?) is going to be interesting. . . I concur with Hanneke’s hope that you give him a “rescue”, while suspecting that the character you’ve created is actually capable of rescuing himself.
    My measure of a really good book is that when I’m through with it, I think of the characters as people. Even better, as people I *know*. [Not in a psychotic way, just – they “live” after I’ve closed the book (or in this case, the file).] This definitely hit the mark. Thank you!

    • YAYAYAYAYAY

      Having begun this series with such a huge cast of characters, I was worried about introducing even more, but I did love the way this one balanced out, with Ardiin being an active part of the resolution. It helps, of course, that the brothers are still intimately involved with the lives of the new characters.

      Basically, they are interesting people. The resolution of one phase of their lives isn’t going to stop them from being interesting.

  • To Hanneke:

    I kinda shortchanged your comment. It’s a little hard to answer without giving stuff away, but I’ll try. Of course, the fact that I don’t really know until I get into the stories helps! πŸ˜†

    At this point, I’m not really sure how much Nikki will be included. My gut feeling is that there will always be a bit of distance between him and the kirish’lani. I’m not sure about Jeremin. I think there’s a chance he might become more kirish’lani than Rhomandi!

    Because the Kirish’lani nodes aren’t capped, their potency is greatly reduced. Right now, Nikki’s counting on getting as far away from a capped node as possible.

    The way I see the transferal of control of the amalgam requires physical contact of the bodies. Right now, the Darius amalgam is “stuck” in Jeremin, but their ability to manifest will be seriously on hold for the next few years. I predict great frustration. :whistle:

    Right now, as I see it, the ley creatures require a link to a body in order to manifest in the real world, which means a link to the “spirit” of the host body, a link established as the result of an “agreement” between the last host and the current host.

    Spiritual union during sex between two talents, a la Khyel and Dancer is the way the amalgam phenomenon was discovered.But that might be just the easiest means, not the only means. What happens when Khyel and crew actually get into dissecting how the ley works, and people with talent begin experimenting…all new possibilities arise!

    I think a visit of Alizant to Kirish’lani land is definitely in the future. Darned if I know when or how, tho! πŸ˜†

    Ardiin is the focus of the next book. Which means I’ve got to really visualize Mauritum! ARGH! Definitely some sort of rescue is going to be in order. Khyel did a sort of the personalities before he ever joined with them. The idea of deleting solidly rooted elements after the fact would be much harder, if at all possible.

    Maybe Ardiin will become an experimental subject for Khyel’s Ley-college to see if it can be done! :biggrin:

  • Hanneke

    Thanks for the answers!
    I hadn’t twigged the agreement as necessary for the amalgam-leypatterns, as they took over the healer, the baby, and started to take over Mikhyel without an invitation. In the first two there likely was a spiritual link, for the healing or because of the baby-mother link, but I’d not seen that ‘accepting’ that link would be a form of agreement to the entry of the amalgam.
    As they’d entered Mikhyel’s mind before he started his ‘sort’, I’d not seen that as very different from Ardiin’s situation, though Ardiin’s freeloaders have had more time to get established/entrenched, at least the stronger personalities: the different components seem to be full of internecine strife, many of them wanting to be dominant at least part of the time. That might mean the lesser personalities could be more easily removed – alas, I fear that some of the worst would also be the more dominant ones.

    I like the idea of the ley-college looking into these amalgams, and trying all sorts of experiments. That could bring Mirrim and her group in as well, and give Khyel a bit more contact with his child, as (s)he starts developing. How Dancer handles that, and the impact on his/her new body-issues, could be interesting as well. I hope (s)he regains some inner peace and equilibrium; though (s)he seems more a ‘clouds of exaltation and depths of despair’ personality than a tranquil one she sure knows how to be happy in the moment, and right now she hasn’t got that joy.
    As Warrior of Worry says, you write real people that we get to know and care about, so I always hope they get some happiness in their lives – but I know books aren’t written about people who lead tranquil happy lives, and I love the idea of more Jane-books!

    As for Mauritumin: a long-inhabited island, the first capped and most important in the first big ley-web -> maybe densely inhabited? Maybe a bit like Malta? I’ve never been there, but that’s the Earth-analogue that my head came up with when reading about it. Perhaps also because historically it too had a religious order that was important in secular government. Library books about Malta might spark some ideas.

    • Jeremin’s situation is really different. The amalgam was in Lidye, and invaded Jeremin as he was born. His mind was completely vulnerable to them, but the sheer brain development wasn’t there for them to do much with it. It’s hard to get all that into the story, especially with people who don’t really know about braincell development, but basically, the amalgam exists in the baby Jeremin as a bunch of desires without a lot of ability to make connections. How much they’re actually “thinking” is highly debatable, since thought requires a maturity of brain cells in order to take place. However, their desire to have a brain they can control is what makes his brain develop so quickly, while his body remains stunted. Their desire redirects where the body chemistry is going.

      But as an awareness within the ley, they’re probably more formed, if you could actually get at them. But the only living being who can is Jeremin.

      Anheliaa manifests after her death because Khyel—basically he can’t, subconsciously, escape his memories of her. Through him, her desire to continue controlling the rings leythiates what is left of her physical body into his room. What the ley doesn’t want is her essence…i.e. her spirit. All the times she’s manipulated him has given her something of a foothold, once she’s rejected from the ley.

      She’s alone in the ley because all the rest of the Darius amalgam went into Lidye, while she maintained a conviction to the end that she was going to go into the adept/child she’d seen in the ley. She’s still in her body when she dies, while the rest have gone into Lidye. (that’s in there somewhere, but probably kinda hidden in other rhetoric.)

      I should probably have said a certain resonance, ie cooperation is preferential in adults because otherwise the body’s inhabitant has too strong a foothold, and there’s too much chance the mind will be damaged by a forceful takeover.

      You’ll notice that Khyel sorts his coalition out of the pack and lets them “touch” his mind. The other don’t. It’s possible other hosts have done this in the past, but none that I know of for certain. And since the most common way for the amalgam to move from one body to the next is sexual in nature, rational thought is not high on the agenda! :biggrin:

      Khyel is very used, by this time, to holding his own…against Anheliaa, his brothers…even Dancer. He’s also very strong, mentally, with all of the ley behind him.

      And…he’s a lawyer with a finely developed sense of negotiation and manipulation of rules. All the others have been priests of Maurii. Very different mind set! :biggrin:

  • reading-fox

    Much enjoyed – though this was a very good continuation of the story – although not quite what I’d been expecting! Lookign forward to the sequel!

    Alizant seems much younger here than what I’d imagined from the previous books. I’m not sure why that is, if it’s me, deliberate, or just one of those things.

    One gripe – “bebby” Argh! horrible word, grated all the way through. I presume this was deliberate showing Alizant’s accent lingering in there to remind us – but I felt this was unnecessary as this is already explicitly covered in a few places. I’m not sure if I spotted any of the other characters using it.

    I’m glad there is beginning to be an explanation of how the world ‘works’ – I’d like to here more of Khyl’s school clearly investigating such things: it makes it all easier to understand if there is consistency in the background rules: just how arbitary is the Ley?

  • Okay, love, it’s been 2 years and we haven’t heard any more about RoC, and I presume it’s on hold until after BRM, Netwalkers, and any other project you have on your schedule.

  • You mean the followup to Alizant? Lord…I haven’t even THOuGHT about it. I have so got to get this CC stuff out of the way so I can start writing again. We’ve discovered pesky artifacts in almost all CJC’s old files because of all the to-ing and fro-ing between programs. Some were scanned, some were swiped off the internet from pirates…and we didn’t realize how many ugly little secrets were lurking within. I’m having to reconstitute a WP file and start all over. This last one, I discovered the (serious) joy of using the RTF version! Thank goodness for the “full” files. I’d been bringing the html version up in WP and cleaning it up and that’s a nightmare. There’s only so long I can work on that kind of thing, but the kind of concentration it takes kills me for anything else. That’s the big problem. Less than time, it’s the creative juices going on vacation.

    Besides, in all honesty, what I REALLY want to get out next (after the new versions of the Original Series) is Homecoming Games. Talk about a story I’VE wanted for over twenty years! I don’t know where they’re taking me until I’m in the middle of it. I know vaguely where things will end up at the end of this book, but the way we’re getting there… that all shows up during the writing. It’s been a huge, unresolved issue for ME for twenty years.

    I wish the words would just flow the way they used to, but they aren’t and I’m afraid they won’t until I get all this CC backlist straightened out. Lord, this seemed like such a good idea three years ago, and it’s still the only real answer, but I just can’t stand knowing there’s a better way to do something and not offering it to the people who bought the books. I want people to look at my ebooks and say “this is someone who cares”, not just about the words, but about the entire package, because it means I care about my readers…which believe me, I do.

  • Please don’t feel as though I’m pressuring you. Writers can’t just turn on and off whichever switch happens to be there in front of them. When you’re ready to get RoC running again, you will. If not, well, it’s still a good series. I don’t have any problem with you working on Netwalkers, BRM, or any other project you have ongoing. The pictures of Wiishu are adorable, I think you have a great gift for photography and posing ball-joint dolls like Wiishu.

    I was reading a post on Shejidan earlier today, in the “What Have You Read Lately” forum. The poster said that they figured out why they didn’t like the first 3 Netwalker books – they hate Wesley, and I do too. After reading “Partners”, I’m inclined to be a little more open-minded about him, but I still don’t like the way he uses people like Stephen in the original books. Maybe in sequels to those books, he’ll be a better person, but for now, he’s still an ass. A smart ass, but an ass nonetheless.

  • I’ve had to admit…that was a real problem in the books. A serious problem for their accessibility and acceptance and one my editor damned well should have caught and made me fix rather than just telling me to make the books shorter. If I’d had Pat Lobrutto as an editor for them, he would have and my career would have gone very differently.

    They suffered from the fact that I knew on a gut level what Wesley was and why he did what he did, but the foundation simply wasn’t there.

    He wasn’t a VP character in the first book…because originally he was supposed to be minor. The initial encounter between them sets the tone for all subsequent interaction and it seemed important to me at the time to have the reader empathizing with Stephen and the shock he experiences.

    And yet…foolishly…I was in Anevai’s VP at the time. I’m going to move this over to the ‘NetWalkers page….

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